Phillyist: Extraordinarily Counterproductive? Indeed.

Pencopal

Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:27:34 -0500

Re: spiritual crisis. I agree. At its core, to me, is a lost sense of interconnectedness.

joxenford

Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:16:56 -0500

I would venture to say that violence is somehow core to American culture. We love us some guns. We tend to solve alot of our problems with violence (the current administration) We shoot first ask questions later. Let God sort the our the bodies. We are in the middle of spiritual crisis. No, I'm talking in the Christian sense, but something much, much deeper.

guest

Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:38:21 -0500

Advertising doesn't work anymore, anyway!!!!!

Politburo

Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:40:59 -0500

Pencopal your argument would be stronger if SEPTA was selling booze. An advertisement is not an alcohol outlet and the study cited says nothing about advertising from what I can tell. The study appears to be from 1998, not 1995. See NIH citation.

justin

Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:47:27 -0500

BTW- way to go from which may/may not border on truth: "that legal substance which likely contributes to the death toll." to totally outlandish: "Enjoy your $600K, SEPTA. That money's dripping in blood." Nothing like a FOX News worthy exaggeration to push your propaganda. The money is far from dripping in blood [SEPTA didn't take payments to run people down in the street...yet...] It's quite clean and paying for needed improvements. Cheers!

justin

Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:38:23 -0500

@ pencopal- beer and guns don't kill people---people kill people. You can't blame alcohol, or the media or whatever other crutch you have for the cities crime problem. Drunk or not, they'll still kill each other...they might just have better aim. Your statistics are irrelevant. If the ads were for $500 dollar bottles of red, no one would be complaining. I think public transit is a much better place for booze ads anyway. It implies "get drunk, take the bus," as opposed to billboard ads that imply "you and the captain [Morgan's that is] can make it happen while driving down the interstate."

Pencopal

Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:28:36 -0500

Not kidding. At all. Chew on this: --- From the San Francisco Chronicle: Research has shown a strong correlational relationship between alcohol and violent crime. A greater density of alcohol outlets is associated with higher rates of assaultive violence, independent of other factors, according to a 1995 study in the American Journal of Public Health. In more than 50 percent of all assaults and homicides, the assailant is under the influence of alcohol, according to a 1990 study in The International Journal of the Addictions. And victims of crime are also influenced by alcohol. More than a dozen studies indicate that 50 percent or more of homicide victims had been drinking at the time of their murder, states a 1993 Alcohol Health & Research World report. -- So no. I don't take it lightly. Although I do agree with you that we should all ask how we can help.

joxenford

Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:53:10 -0500

You're kidding right? I mean an ad for guns is one thing, but an ad for beer is another. Is it possible to stop ragging on SEPTA for one f-ing day in this city? Now, by way of advertising on TWO buses in the entire war trin city SEPTA is getting blamed for inspiring violence. Well lets see if the murder rate drops in North Philly now. SEPTA is an easy target. Perhaps we should start to ask how each one us can HELP the situation instead of blaming a struggling, under funded, but otherwise well run transit authority.